When it comes to the performing arts, sometimes great stage presence isn’t the only thing grabbing people’s attention! On today’s episode, the brothers discuss a Chicago, Illinois theater with a creepy past plus, guests, Sharai and Trent, podcast hosts of A Nightmare on Fierce Street, share their firsthand experience at this place.
When it comes to the performing arts, sometimes great stage presence isn’t the only thing grabbing people’s attention! On today’s episode, the brothers discuss a Chicago, Illinois theater with a creepy past plus, guests, Sharai and Trent, podcast hosts of A Nightmare on Fierce Street, share their firsthand experience at this place.
Find episode transcripts here: https://urban-legends-with-the-ghost-brothers.simplecast.com/episodes/chilling-theater-energy-with-a-nightmare-on-fierce-street
Juwan Mass: We are back ladies and gentlemen! What is going on?
Marcus harvey: What's happening!
Dalen Spratt: It is another, another, another great episode of Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers, and I am him, he is me, the bad boy of paranormal himself, DJ Dalen, the love machine.
Juwan: Okay. Okay. Okay. My man has a new intro for y'all, but it is still Juwan and only, the paranormal papi here.
Marcus: And I am, you know, your man, the Marcus Harvey, y'all.
And today's story is all about a haunted theater plus today's guests, Sharai and Trent, the podcast hosts of, A Nightmare on Fierce Street.
Dalen: Oh, this gonna be an action packed one.
Juwan: You might not be lying. Good, sir. Let's take it away, Marcus!
[THEME OUT: Ghost Brothers Asha Theme]
Marcus: All right, fellas. We're taking this one all the way to Chicago, Chi Town Victory Gardens Theater. But first, let's get into some history. All right. It was first built in 1914. People went there to watch movies. Now it's mainly used for theater productions. The sad part is that Victory Gardens Theater is closed right now, but we got to talk about the activity that they got going on in there!
Juwan: Man, what kind of spirits are you talking about?
Marcus: I'm talking about these spirits of theater goers still wanting to catch a movie and something big happened here in the 1930s.
Dalen: Wait, I think I might know, cause I am a huge fan of a certain person. But go ahead, keep going, keep going.
Marcus: Okay. Okay, okay. Okay. A man on the run from the law, got shot by the police in the alley behind the theater and they say his spirit still haunts the place to this day. To this day!
Dalen: Okay. Okay.
This is exactly who I thought it was. I'm excited about this one, man.
Marcus: All right, okay and y'all. This is a real story. FBIs got it up on their website, y'all. I mean -
Dalen: Hey, that mean this dude is a gangster, certified gangster if he is on the FBI's website.
Marcus: Yeah.
Dalen: Because I know two other people on there.
Marcus: Okay. You
Juwan: Don't do it. You snitching. If you say it, you're snitching. If you say it, don't do it. We want to hear who you talking about, Marcus.
Marcus: I'm talking about John Dillinger.
Juwan: Ooh, okay. Big John. Okay. Big John.
Marcus: Yeah. John, born in Indianapolis in 1903. Had trouble with the law as a teenager. Went into the Navy, but got into trouble and left.
Dalen: All right. Okay, so this story's going left early!
Juwan: Same thing, I was thinking big dog!
Marcus: Yeah.
Dalen: Look, I've been a huge fan.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Of like John Dillinger and all the gangsters, right?
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: I did not know John Dillinger was in the military.
Marcus: Oh yeah, man because after the Navy, Dillinger couldn't find work. So he decided to rob a grocery store with a friend.
Juwan: And let me guess, didn't end too well. They got caught?
Marcus: Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding! Yep. Got caught red-handed him and his friend. I'm talking about they got time on their hands.
Dalen: Are you serious? Look man, that man go and fight for this country and he just trying to eat so he steals from a store. So tell me what happens to him.
Marcus: Mr. Dillinger, his pop said to him, man, plead guilty and you'll get a lesser charge. My man ended up doing nine whole years behind bars.
Marcus: See this when you don't listen to your daddy because your daddy ain't no lawyer.
Juwan: I know he was mad!
Marcus: Report says when he got parole after eight years, I'm talking about like eight and a half. My man went and tore up the midwest. I mean, boy, robbed mad places with his friends. Killed a few police officers along the way and got arrested one time.
But escape from prison and that was supposed to be like escape proof.
[Music in: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Dalen: Okay. Okay. Wait, wait, wait, wait. We actually investigated that prison.
Marcus: We did.
Juwan: We did.
Marcus: Remember that?
Dalen: We did.
Juwan: In Indianapolis.
Dalen: In Indianapolis.
Juwan: Yes, we did.
Dalen: We spent some time up there. We did an event out there and we investigated.
We saw the jail cell that they kept him in.
Juwan: Yup.
Dalen: We saw where he escaped from. Bro, that place is crazy haunted.
Juwan: Yeah, it is actually like, bro, it's small corridors. It's real dark alley. It's like dark hallways. The jail cells aren't that big. It's like a real, it's almost intimate.
[Music out: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Dalen: So, alright, so then what? What happened?
What happened next?
Marcus: So you know, man gets away, you know, he gets away in the sheriff's car, right?
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
[SFX: True Crime music]
Marcus: And so they reward this man with slapping him with what the FBI likes to call Public Enemy number one.
Dalen: Ooh!
Juwan: Number one baby.
Dalen: Say, if you got that title back then, if you were labeled Public Enemy number one back then, that means like literally all eyes was on you.
Juwan: What’s it like now? Like if you got Public Enemy back then what it would be like now?
Dalen: America's Most Wanted.
Would be on America's Most Wanted, number one. These folks on your ass.
Marcus: All right, man. So, Buddy actually was running for years.
Supposedly a Romanian woman offered to give the police some info so she's gonna snitch, right? In exchange for some cash and to stay in the country cuz she was about to be deported.
Juwan: Hmm. This where the story start to get a little spicy.
Marcus: Yeah, yeah, yeah. So they agreed and she said, we're gonna go to the movies tonight. I'll be in an orange dress and you can spot me.
You know that boy, you what? What you think he did?
Dalen: Listen man, if he anything like me.
Juwan: He was in an orange suit?
Dalen: He was wearing some sweatpants.
Juwan: Or were they slacks?
Dalen: Nah, he was wearing some sweatpants.
Marcus: He was ready.
Dalen: He was ready.
Marcus: And I'll tell you what else was ready.
Dalen: What happened?
Marcus: Them agents, cuz they pulled up to the theater.
Dalen: Oh wow.
Marcus: With you and them sweatpants.
Dalen: And what they do?
Marcus: You know what they did?
Juwan: What happened?
Marcus: The movie let out. And when the movie let out, they spotted Dillinger, right.
Dalen: In his sweatpants.
Marcus: In his sweatpants.
And Dillinger spotted them, but he had a pistol in his sweatpants.
Buddy runs into the alley and boom. Got shot by 12.
Dalen: Golly!
Marcus: Yeah. Here's a kicker. Some say Dillinger wasn't at the theater. Instead the woman brought a lookalike and Dillinger is still alive to this day.
Dalen: Say that would be so player and a plot twist if they worked together, because I heard that story before and it's just like he was cool with that lady man.
And Dillinger was getting money too. So like why would you turn him in?
Juwan: When we could have been getting money together?
Dalen: Well, he could have just been giving you some bread.
Marcus: Yeah.
Dalen: You know what I'm saying?
But it would be ideal if they ran a plot to where they put a lookalike for whatever reason. But then it's like how you set somebody else to go as you?
Marcus: But you know, the doggone Alley is still there to this day. Right.
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Cause alleys don't go nowhere.
Marcus: Alleys don't go nowhere. They don't go anywhere.
[Music in: Ghost Brothers Transition 2]
Marcus: People claim that they still seen the spirit specifically during renovations in the 1970s, like they said, like they saw a bluish male ghostly figure running down the alleyway that stumbles and falls and then disappears.
Dalen: You know, what?
[Music out: Ghost Brothers Transition 2]
Juwan: Does it, does it sound like John Dillinger to you?
Dalen: Say, listen, man, it might be, but that's interesting. That makes me want to go there. Like since we've been to the jail, we need to go to the place that he was shot and the place he died. I feel like those are the two places that probably exude the most Dillinger energy.
Juwan: I would agree. I would agree.
[Music: Ghost Brothers Ad Break 3]
Dalen: But I say we go head and jump into this interview though, to get more context on the legend itself. I'm talking about with Sharai and Trent, the hosts of Nightmare on Fierce Street. But first, let us take a little break-y and break.
Juwan: Break it on down. Break it on down.
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[Music: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Dalen: All right, everybody. We have Sharai and Trent here from the podcast, A Nightmare on Fierce Street.
Marcus & Juwan: Oooooh!
Dalen: Thanks for coming today.
Trent: Thank you for having us!
Juwan: Yeah, absolutely.
Marcus: Well tell us more about y'all's podcast, man. Break the podcast down real quick for us.
Sharai: Awesome. So we were in the first year of the pandemic and we were like, what if instead of us drinking and talking about movies without recording it? What if we did it on a podcast? And it just sort of took off. Like we have followers in countries and regions I never heard about, but I wanna go to.
Dalen: Oh, wow.
Sharai: We sound like a really cool podcast horror family on Twitter and we're all sort of doing the same thing, which is looking at horror movies, intersectionality, and yeah, it's been fun.
Trent: So essentially on the podcast, each week we take a movie and we, Sharai and I, each, uh, and sometimes we have a guest will dissect that film through different intersectionality lenses and different perspectives like that.
Dalen: So lemme ask you this. What's a recent revelation you've, you've had with one of the reviews that you've done?
Sharai: I found out and this is blasphemous in the horror community, but I found out I am not the biggest fan of the Evil Dead franchise.
Dalen: Ok.
Sharai: I can never say that on the streets. I can say that here.
Dalen: This is a safe place.
Marcus: This is a safe place.
Juwan: It's a cult following going on.
Marcus: Yeah, man.
Trent: Yeah, and similar to Sharai, I figured out that I am not, well, I think I knew it already, but, uh, I've become more vocal on not being a Texas Chainsaw Massacre fan.
Dalen: That’s fair.
Trent: Nor do I like really anything Tobe Hooper has directed.
Dalen: So, okay. Okay, so we, we have the, the Texas chainsaw massacre type movies. What about paranormal? Do you guys believe in ghosts?
Trent: I absolutely do. I have never myself had an interaction. I feel like they, the ghosts know that I am terrified of ghosts and supernatural things. So they're like, we'll just leave him be.
Dalen: He's scared enough.
Juwan: That's funny.
Marcus: He’s aight.
Trent: He's alright, but yeah, I, I totally believe in them, but I, yeah, I, they terrified me. That's why I can't, like anytime we cover a ghost movie on the podcast, I have to like, watch it during the daytime. Like you could supplement it with like some comedies here and there, but like the paranormal activity series, any kind of demon stuff. Ooh! That gets me.
Juwan: What about you, Sharai?
Sharai: I definitely believe in it just because I was raised in two houses that definitely had some weird stuff happening.
Dalen: Oh, wow.
Sharai: And also just being in the family, you hear the stories. Like my mother like tells a story about how I knew who her grandmother was from a picture, even though the woman died before I was born.
Dalen: Mmm!
Sharai: But I would point at it, just like, that's Big Mama. Which why would a one year-old know who Big Mama was?
Dalen: Right.
Sharai: Um, and so there's definitely stuff I don't know how to explain and I just try and like stay out of its way.
Juwan: So where, where are you from?
Sharai: Kansas City, Missouri.
Juwan: Okay. You too, Trent. What about yourself?
Trent: I'm actually from, uh, central Arkansas, a little town called Conway.
Uh, Sharai and I met during undergrad in Missouri.
Juwan: Nice
So this episode we're talking about the connection to Victory Gardens Theater in Chicago.
So I just recently found out about Victory's Gardens Theater and I'm from the Chicago area, so I was like, oh, wow. Didn't, never heard of it, but um, so like I hear you guys have a connection to Victory Gardens Theater.
Sharai: Yes, I worked there for almost a year because we were theater kids. And after I got my MFA I was like, I'm going to Chicago. That's a theater town. And I, I thought Victory Gardens is where I wanted to be. And then I got in there, I was like, no.
Hard pass. Um, yeah, no, they have like part of the history and like your initial stuff when they're giving you the tour, they're just like, by the way, ghost tours happen here. Here's the history of the building. And I'm like, oh no.
Marcus: What kind of energy did y'all feel there?
Sharai: There was definitely something that did not want us there. I was front of house. I'd have to lock up some nights and I never liked doing it alone because something did not want us in the building. My boss thought it was more of a childish playful energy. I never got that. I got something that was like, this is my house.
Dalen: Oh wow
Sharai: Yeah.
Dalen: Very territorial.
Juwan: Yeah.
Sharai: Very territorial, especially like in the back offices, because it's, iIt's a weirdly deceiving place because like, you go up some stairs and you have like this like weird little area with offices and everything. The temperatures are always weird. The vibe is off and you're up there at like 11:00 PM by yourself with a key ring and you're like, this is not, this is not meant to be.
Juwan: This is every horror movie right here. This is how it starts.
Dalen: This is how it's gonna happen. This is how I end.
Trent: So I went and visited Sharai at one point and, um, I went to see a show at that theater, and I'm glad that Sharai did not tell me beforehand about this ghost because y'all know I would've been like, uh, I'm not even paying attention to what's happening on stage. I would've been like, ugh, I don’t have enough alcohol for this.
Dalen: Right.
Juwan: I mean, so tell me what, do you recall your scariest moment there?
Sharai: I definitely had heard some things, especially like there's this office with a door that leads to the roof, um, and it's where like the admin staff used to like have their offices and there was always something there because again, you would go up there. Usually by yourself cause the person who's locking up with you was like at the front desk hiding.
And so you'd go up there and you would just, you would have like the weird. It's hard to explain. It's just like an oppressive feeling when you walk into a space and you know that you should not be there. You should not be doing the things you're doing in this space. You need to get your life together, look at your life choices.
And sometimes you could hear things and I, I used to be really good about being like, no, that's, I can explain that away. That was something that failed, but like why did that thing fall?
Dalen: Right.
Sharai: Why is the elevator doing the things? Nobody else is in the building, but me right now.
Dalen: Right
Sharai: And so like, we're good at lying to ourselves to a point, I think.
Dalen: So everyone that knows me knows I'm fascinated with like the old time gangster era. So from Bonnie and Clyde to Ma Barker to John Dillinger. So this theater is, this is the theater that John Dillinger was killed at, right?
Sharai: Correct.
Trent: Supposedly. Supposedly.
Dalen: Supposedly. Why is it supposedly there?
Trent: Well, because there's rumor that's where the spirit supposedly comes from. Right? But there's also. Rumors that he found out or something that he found out that he was going to be caught and so he set somebody up to be killed instead.
Dalen: That looked like him?
Juwan: A death double.
If y'all were given the opportunity, would you go back to the theater?
Sharai: No, no. I, again, I lasted nine months and I think that it was because you can lie to yourself for so long, but after a while, you're like, This does not want me here. And how long am I gonna keep playing with it? Cuz I'm testing its patience and I, I don't feel safe.
And so I definitely would not go back to work there, like in the daylight for like free food and beverages, yes, that was me.
Juwan: Hey, listen, for the perks.
Dalen: I can see why y'all friends, cause both of y'all done brought up drinks. And having a good time.
Trent: I'm sensing a trend here.
Dalen: Right.
Trent: As I said earlier, I am terrified of the supernatural of ghosts, but for some reason I continually put myself in situations where it could happen. Like I've stayed at haunted hotels before, nothing happened, thank God.
But I did like sleep with all the lights on and the TV going, and I was like, mmm! And so, yeah, I would probably go back just cause I'm a glutton for punishment.
Juwan: Okay. Sharai, quick question though, has anything ever happened to you outside of the theater? Like do you feel like you were, may have brought something from the theater or just had something outside of the theater just affect you?
Sharai: Since I left Chicago, cause I definitely moved after that happened. I felt better in this new apartment. But like my first couple afterwards, there was definitely some weird energies. And again, I don't know if those are just those apartments I lived in or if it was me carrying that from Victory Gardens.
Juwan: Right.
Sharai: I don't know what that energy was. I've heard like stories from other people who said they saw a woman in a dress who was supposedly the one who like snitched on her partner and when the FBI was looking for him and I've heard my boss talk about like the childish energy and the giggles that she heard, but like I myself don't know what was there.
I also don't know if it was connecting with something else that I might have brought in because again, like, I had two houses in my history already that I lived in as a kid. Um, and soI don't know. Cause I don't think I'm more sensitive than anybody else.
Dalen: Not, not to cut you off, but you said that you've lived in two haunted houses when you were a child. Do you feel like that was coincidental or do you feel like maybe something was following you?
Sharai: Part of me thinks it was my mother. I think, she has something connected to her. Uh, because once I moved out of our last house, I was good for a minute and once I started getting rid of stuff that I took from that house, I got better. And my sister and I, we, we talk about the stuff that happened specifically in the last house cuz she was a little bit older so she was retaining more stuff.
But like, I definitely remember seeing like shadows and hearing footsteps. And also, I never slept as a kid, so I'd be up by myself with whatever it was. And I did not like it. I think it's part of the reason I couldn't sleep because I saw too much late at night. And so I would just go and go and go and then nap in the daytime cause we were homeschooled.
So like, who's checking? So I do think that it was her in those houses.
Dalen: So It was her that you thought had something connected to her. Gotchu.
Sharai: I think she's got something connected to her because even in her new house, I visited her last year cause of family emergency and I never set foot in that house, but like it felt weird. It felt off, like I've not felt since I moved out of her house many, many years ago.
And so I think it might be something that's with her and that scares me cuz she's 70 and so you don't want her to be in here fighting demons by yourself.
Marcus: Hey guys, this has been amazing. Thank you two for coming through and kicking it with us. Tell everybody where they can go follow you guys.
Sharai: Ooh, you can find us at Nightmare Fierce on Twitter, A Nightmare on Fierce Street on Instagram, and we are everywhere you hear podcasts at under, A Nightmare On Fear Street.
Juwan: And one more thing, I don't think we asked you this before we go, I just wanna know, what's your favorite scary movie, each one of you?
Sharai: Oh, you go first, Trent.
Trent: I'm, uh, fairly basic, but, uh, Scream. Hands down, my favorite Scream movie of all time
Dalen:. That's dope. You never really hear people say, Scream as their favorite, scary movie. That's dope. I like that.
Sharai: They’re lying.
Dalen: Right. That's the easy way out?
Sharai: They don't wanna say, Scream. They're like, no, not me. And it's like, I know, I know your life. I think today at this hour, my favorite movie is probably The Thing, the John Carpenter version.
Marcus: Hmm.
Sharai: But it changes every five minutes,
Dalen: Okay. Okay. Okay. Interesting.
Marcus: I mean, being in like the Arctic and having some kind of like, like alien type thing, like shapeshifting in other people, that is kind of creepy.
Sharai: I remember being stressed for Keith, David the whole time. I saw it the first time as a kid and then at the end I'm like, technically he's still alive, but also for how much longer and is he the alien? Cuz again -
Juwan: So many questions.
Marcus: So, yeah, but they gotta check y'all out, man. Thank you guys so very much for popping up and pulling up to us with the Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers.
Trent: Yes. Thank y'all.
Sharai: Thank y'all for having us.
Juwan: Absolutely.
Dalen: Of course.
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Dalen: Say man, that's crazy, bro. I couldn't imagine ever living in multiple haunted houses growing up.
Juwan: Oh, absolutely not. Not multiple. Maybe gimme one. But I feel like even still we gonna have to move by the time I reach my teenage years,
Dalen: I feel it has to have some type of like outside effect, like you have to, or maybe you become accustomed to it.
Maybe like living in the projects.
Juwan: Okay. I can ask you a real question.
Dalen: Yep.
Juwan: Because you are a hustler.
Dalen: Yep.
Juwan: So if you knew your house was haunted.
Dalen: Yep.
Juwan: Would you charge people every year, like during Halloween to do a walkthrough?
Dalen: Just during Halloween? Boy, listen. I try to figure out a way to charge people year round in that thing, bro. I wouldn't even stay there.
Juwan: Okay.
Dalen: I’d rented it out.
Juwan: All right.
Marcus: Fellas. It's about that time to play a little game. You guys down?
Dalen: Mm-hmm. I'm really ready.
Juwan: Ready for warfare.
Marcus: Okay. Okay. I'm gonna test you guys' scary movie expertise. Okay?
Juwan: Okay.
Marcus: You ready?
Juwan: Ready..
[Music out: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Marcus: Okay. All right. Here we go. Here we go. All right. What's the name of the summer camp where the Friday the 13th movies take place?
[SFX: countdown clock; game show]
Dalen: The summer camp is called Um. Dang.
Juwan: Salute Your Shorts?
Dalen: No, that used to be my show. Camp Onomatopoeia?
Juwan: No camp.
Marcus: See, this is why, this is why. Shut up.
Dalen: Shady Lake?
Marcus: No. What you got, Juwan?
Juwan: I have no idea.
Dalen: Misty Lake?
Juwan: It’s a lake?
Marcus: It's a lake.
Juwan: It's a lake.
Marcus: But it's Crystal Lake.
Juwan: Crystal Lake.
Dalen: Crystal Lake!
Marcus: Crystal Lake, man.
Dalen: What I say? Misty?
Marcus: You said Misty.
Juwan: You said Shady.
Dalen: I knew it was something, man.
Marcus: Shady lake, Christie, I don't know where you was coming from.
Juwan: Hey, listen.
Dalen: I knew it was somelake.
Marcus: Okay. Okay. Okay. Here we go. Here we go. All right. You guys ready for this one? Maybe you can get this one.
Juwan: We ready.
Marcus: In the movie, The Ring, how long do people have to live once they watch the infamous videotape?
[SFX: countdown clock; game show]
Dalen: 24 hours.
Marcus: 24 - 24 hours?
Dalen: You get 24 hours to live.
Marcus: I didn't say, yo blockbuster rental.
Dalen: Oh my bad. Okay. You're right. It's seven days.
Juwan: It's three days. Okay.
Marcus: You said three days.
Juwan: I said three days.
Marcus: Okay.
Dalen: It's a week.
Marcus: It's seven days.
Dalen: It's seven. It's seven. Because you gotta get time for the movie to develop.
Marcus: Yeah. You gotta let the plot move.
Juwan: Oh my goodness
Marcus: Because you know.
Juwan: Oh my goodness.
Marcus: All right, here we go. Here we go. Okay. Okay. Last one. Which one of the following movies was not based on a Stephen King book? Misery.
Juwan: Mmm
Marcus: Pet Cemetery.
Dalen: Mm.
Marcus: or Creep.
[SFX: countdown clock; game show]
Dalen: I'm gonna go with Creep.
Juwan: I gotta go with Creep.
Marcus: So I creep.
Dalen, Juwan and Marcus: Yeah! Just creeping on the down low!
Marcus: Alright, good job guys
Juwan: Shout out to TLC. We love yall.
Marcus: Shout, shout out.
[Music in: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Marcus: Shout out. Shout out. All right. Y'all know what time it is, Juwan, what time is it?
Juwan: It's time for a listener submission!
Dalen: And y'all know there is nothing we love more than hearing from you guys, so please send those stories in.
This one comes from Jennifer in Oklahoma, or I like to call it, Texas's hat.
Juwan: It do kind of shaped like a hat though, so.
Dalen: It's Texas's beanie.
Juwan: Oh, it has a brim though.
Dalen: Listen man, it's a beanie.
[Music out: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Jennifer: So the story is the main time that I've encountered seeing something. I was in my apartment I lived with my mom and I was watching my baby nephew and we just finished dinner. My mom was cleaning up and me and my baby nephew were in the living room watching TV and I went to say something to my mom. I was sitting on the floor so I kind of like scooted around and as I scooted around I saw the back of someone walking down the hallway. So I was like ok well she probably went to her room you know whatever.
So I stayed facing the hallway and about 5 seconds later I heard our refrigerator door close. And I was like, ok. And so probably about 5 seconds after that my mom comes walking out of the kitchen and into the dining room. So I just froze and I must have a weird look on my face cause my mom looked at me and she said what? And the only thing I could think of to say was go see if someone is in the back. And she just looked at me and I said go see if there's someone in the bedrooms.
And my mom being a bad-ass, she took off and went to the bedroom and checked and came back she's like there's nobody back there. And I said I swear I saw somebody walk down the hallway. And she said well yeah I see them sometimes and I just must have got that same look on my face and she said what and I said you you see these like shadow people basically? And she goes oh yeah like and I said you know you didn't even think to maybe tell me about this? And she was oh well yeah like I'll be in the kitchen and you know, I'll see somebody pass by down the hallway and I'm thinking it’s to you and I go to look for you and nobody's here and I was like ok and she said but you know I just tell him you know I see you. I said, what you talked to them she's like yeah just tell them you know I see you.
And so of course after that day I had to go hunt down an elder for some sage and she taught me like the proper way to sage a place and she basically she said that you know you can say a prayer as you go clockwise through the building or you can say you know whatever you want to say. So basically I didn't tell you I said if you're good you don't mean it's any harm you can stay but just don't let me see you and that was oh my gosh maybe like 7 or 8 years ago and I have not had any issues since, so that I guess they listened to me.
Juwan: Okay. There's a lot there.
Dalen: Definitely a lot to impact. First and foremost, I feel like we might need to call CPS. I know she's grown, but her mother definitely does not have her best interest at heart.
Juwan: At all. Cause I was really curious as like why her mother would be withholding that information from her for so long.
Dalen: Right. Man, I'm truthful with my daughter, bro.
Juwan: You tell her that.
Dalen: Bro I tell her everything.
Juwan: You saw a shadow figure, you would tell her everything.
Juwan: That's good.
Dalen: Everything. She's like my little best friend.
Cause I couldn't imagine her seeing something. In our house, and then not telling me then her trying to deal with that on her own.
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Like I be feeling like that's when kids be having these imaginary friends, man,
Juwan: You know, like they had this, uh, it was a post on, uh, Twitter and it was just like a thread of parents talking about how their kids have talked about eerie things and said they've like, seen eerie things. And like a kid drew a picture and it was like, of the family and there was like an extra person in the photo.
And the mom was like, who is this? And like, she was like, this is such and such. And the mom was like, she was weirded out because like, they had, like, had a miscarriage and like the baby didn't know about this other person, but like for some reason the kid that drew the picture had this premonition.
Like, there's so many stories about that online. I just feel like kids are really connected to the afterlife on a different level.
Juwan: Yo, do you you feel like you are good with sage? Like remember how on this listener, she was like, yeah I just had somebody teach me.
Dalen: You mean, do it the right way?
Juwan: Yeah. I mean, you always want to do it the right way.
Dalen: Yeah.
Juwan: Remember, we used to sage the haunted house guests.
Dalen: Yeah, you got to, bro. Literally, every time I come in the house, from our events, bro, anything that we do like that, I have to, I sage myself.
I start the top of my head and I go all the way down in the circle to my feet.
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Then I go to every door frame in the house.
Juwan: Yeah. And you don't want to transfer that energy in there. Um, and just knowing that it can is like half the battle. So we just gotta protect that space and clear that energy
Dalen: For real.
Juwan: Well, we appreciate you Jenna.
Is that her name? No, her name was Jennifer. I apologize.
Dalen: You out here giving love names.
Juwan: Love names. I shortened it. My bad, sweetheart.
Dalen: Oh, yall must got history.
Juwan: Yeah, yeah my bad sweetheart.
Dalen: Her mama name her Jennifer. I call her Jenna.
Juwan: Almost told our little secret to the world. My bad sweetheart. But go ahead and hold it down in Oklahoma and uh, much love to you.
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Marcus: That's all we have for you guys. And remember to send your stories into GhostBrothersPodcast.com. That is, GhostBrothersPodcast.com. We love hearing from you guys, but that’s all for now. I guess we'll see you next time.
Juwan: Man, appreciate y'all listening.
Peace, love, and paranormal from the paranormal papi. Thank you!
Dalen: And you know you can't get outta here without hearing the mischievous voice.
Marcus: Man, shut up.
Juwan: The central sounds.
Dalen: Of the man with the master plan.
Juwan: The myth.
Dalen: I am he. He is me.
Juwan: The legend.
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