Visiting a haunted tunnel at night...what could possibly go wrong? The Hoosac Tunnel, nicknamed The Bloody Pit, is where nearly 200 men died during its construction in the 1800s. It’s said, their spirits are there, but are they? This week's guest, comedian and podcast host, Ashley Ray, shares her eerie visit one Halloween night that left her with a few questions.
Visiting a haunted tunnel at night...what could possibly go wrong? The Hoosac Tunnel, nicknamed The Bloody Pit, is where nearly 200 men died during its construction in the 1800s. It’s said, their spirits are there, but are they? This week's guest, comedian and podcast host, Ashley Ray, shares her eerie visit one Halloween night that left her with a few questions.
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Dalen Spratt: We’re back!!
Marcus Harvey: Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers. Your man, thee Marcus Harvey here.
Juwan Mass: Juwan, affectionately known as the paranormal papi is here.
Dalen: And don’t you for one second forget about the bad boy of paranormal heeself, Dalen Spratt. Now lets get to it baby. Today's urban legend -
Juwan: Okay
Dalen: It’s called, alright, get this, the Bloody Pit.
And later on we gonna chat with our first guest man, Ashley Ray. She's a comedian, an actor, a writer, and host of the podcast, TV, I Say with Ashley Ray, and she talks about her experience inside of the Bloody Pit. That sounds like a, an armpit rash?
Juwan: I hope she made it out
Dalen: Without a rash?
Juwan: Without catching anything. Okay.
Marcus: You gotta get, you
Dalen: No STDs.
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Marcus: What?
Dalen & Juwan: No Spiritually transmitted diseases
Marcus: You tell em! That's why I set you up baby!
Dalen: Hey baby, baby. All right, y'all. Look, so the legend of how the Hoosac Tunnel in North Adams, Massachusetts got the name.
Marcus: Massa what setts?
Dalen: Listen man. Listen man.
Juwan: Come on.
Dalen: Listen. I ain't gonna lie to y’all
Juwan: Last time. Run it back. We go get you.
Dalen: I always skipped over that state, bro. Growing up I could never spell it, and I could never say it.
Marcus: That's a, that state is dead me
Juwan: My man used to always just say MA
Dalen: MA
Juwan: He would never, he hit you with an abbreviation, Boston, MA
Marcus: Oh, you from M.A.?
Dalen: Ah, I'm gonna get it. I'm gonna get it. Here we go. Mass, uh, chew, that's the word. Get tricky with me. My mouth don't work that way
Juwan: Cause it's actually in cursive
Dalen: My mouth don't work. My mouth can't say chew right
Juwan: No, it's the shits.
Dalen: It is the shits! It's the second part. It's the second part, too. It's them back to back is a tongue twister
Marcus: It's not the chew.
Juwan: It's not the chew, it's the shits.
Dalen: It’s the shits. It ain't the chew, it’s the shits. Y'all all right Here we go. So the legend of how the Hoosac Tunnel in North Adams, Massachusetts got the name Bloody Pit. Say, look, I'm gonna give y'all the backstory
Juwan: Man. I am ready. Bring it on!
Dalen: God damn, it’s in it again! Shit!
Juwan: Where's it at?
Dalen: Okay? Alright y'all….
Marcus: Ohh! Shit!
Juwan: My man said, it's not the chew. It's the shits!
Marcus: That shit is stupid. It's not the chew. Y'all gonna get my pressure up!
Dalen: God damn. I’m starting to get hot.
Juwan: You mean it’s on the next line
Marcus: I gotta keep saying where it's from
Juwan: That’s funny
Dalen: Alright
Juwan: Alright
Dalen: Alright. So look y'all, this is wild. In 1819, the area from Boston to Albany, New York didn't have a canal, right? So creating one would give the mill owners there an easy way to ship their products. So somebody just had the bright idea of why don't they just build one through the Hoosac Mountain. They literally had plans of making a four and a half mile long tunnel.
Marcus: Shut your mouth
Dalen: But look, it was expensive.
Marcus: How expensive was it?
Dalen: Bro a lot of money.
Juwan: Ok
Marcus: A whole lot of money.
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Dalen: Listen, man, look. And nothing was done for years. Like it just cost so much money, bro. They ain't even start the project.
Juwan: They just had it sitting
Dalen: Sitting there. And construction eventually started around the 1850s and it lasted for about 25 years. So about from 1850 to 1875, they were working hard on this tunnel. During that time, nearly 200 men died while working on the tunnel. I know you asking?
Juwan: It's a high body count
Marcus: No, no, I'm asking. I'm gonna say you don't even have to know why, because I'm gonna ask it
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Dalen: I know. What you gonna ask me?
Marcus: Why 200 people? They couldn't get it after like the second person. Alright, we need to stop letting people die in there. Why so many people?
Dalen: It was kind of crazy. Lemme tell you what happened. It was poor work conditions. Poor work conditions and one incident had to do with nitroglycerin.
Marcus: Dang
Dalen: Y'all know what nitroglycerin is?
Juwan: I think it's used to blow things up.
Dalen: Okay. You used your context clues with that one J Mass. It's that suit jacket.
Juwan: Don't let it fool you. Don't let it go to your head, naw!
Dalen: Listen, don't you ever forget that baby, but nah, look man, at 1865, Three guys that like we're masters in explosives, they decide that they gonna blow a hole in this wall. So they go into the tunnel, they set up their explosives, and they have to run out, just like the movies
Marcus: Word.
Dalen: Just like the movies.
Marcus: Word, just like Sylvester Stalone
Dalen: You know how you, you light the dynamite and you gotta run, bro, listen, they lit it.
[Match burning sfx]
Dalen: All three tried to run out.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Oh, but one of 'em was a little bit faster than the other two. Lemme tell you what buddy did
Marcus: What'd he do?
Dalen: He got his ass on out that tunnel and he hit the switch and blew everybody up.
Juwan: Bro, this sound like, this sound like an investigation with Dalen
Dalen: Bro, listen, man. Or an episode of First 48. One of the two
Marcus: That sound like something fishy..
Dalen: Bro, listen man. The people were trying to say like, how the hell did Tony, his name ain't Tony, but we gonna call him Tony. How did Tony get out?
Marcus: How you the only one?
Dalen: And everybody else blew up? The other two blew up. But check this out. Can't nobody even find Tony after that. Tony skedaddle, bro. He vanished. Went on the run.
Juwan: That's not suspicious
Dalen: Right? And Tony told on himself. Yeah, but check this out. Two months later, guess what happened to Tony?
Marcus: What happened?
Dalen: Bro, they found Tony's body dead. Literally like 10 feet away from where the two guys blew up in the tunnel
Juwan: No shit.
Dalen: Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. So a lot of people was like, man, what happened to Tony? Like, was it ghosts? But nah. But literally they found him strangled to death. So people saying that, you know, either it was the get back, it was karma.
Marcus: Ooh!
Juwan: At the site of the crime
Dalen: Right. Or they say that it was the spirits that he killed, his two partners that he worked with, you know what I'm saying? Getting they get back, man
Marcus: I think that that's what it is. Real talk. Shoot. If somebody blew me up and I saw you coming back around
Dalen: All right, y'all guess what else though?
Marcus: What happened?
Dalen: That ain't the only thing that happened in that tunnel.
Juwan: What else went down?
Dalen: No, man, this ain't even funny, bro. It's just wild that all of this stuff happened in this area and nobody just stopped it. Like y'all just kept going like it's like a train tunnel to this day. Like it's crazy. Look at this. One of the most chilling events was the central shaft accident. Check this out, Marcus.
Marcus: What’s up?
Dalen: 13 dudes went down into the tunnel’s, central shaft where flammable materials like explosives,
Marcus: What
Dalen: Power lamps
Marcus: Cmon
Dalen: And oil were just used to blast open the mountain.
Marcus: What?
Dalen: It had like a thousand foot vertical chimney. For the exhaust to escape.
Marcus: Ok
Dalen: So think it's like a big ass chimney coming out the side of a big ass mountain
Juwan: Sounds exactly like what a chimney is
Dalen: Yep. Yep. It's, I, I tried to paint the picture for you
Juwan: That's what you really did
Dalen: That's for all my visual learners out there
Marcus: Ok
Dalen: But look though. In 1867, one single spark set off an explosion and a fire started. There were four men working inside at the top of the shaft that had to evacuate. So as soon as the fire started in this like shaft, bro, they got on up out of there. Like they couldn't get the other dudes. They couldn't get to the other dudes at the bottom of the shaft, bro.
Juwan: Okay
Dalen: Like the fire just took over way too quickly.
Juwan: So they left the 13
Dalen: Bro, dang this, this tunnel got a history of people leaving people don't it? But look though, here we go. They didn't have time to bring up the other 13, so they tried to put out the fire, but the whole shaft collapsed. And the men below were like literally showered with like rigging equipment, mining tools, and fiery debris. So could you imagine being at the bottom of a shaft and like a big explosion happens above you and now fire's dropping on you? But look though, man, they tried to rescue them, but after a few days, man, a worker tried to go down the shaft, but he almost passed out because he couldn't breathe. And he said that like nobody could survive that. This is a few days later. Like they sending dudes out there to try to get them out, and he was. Like, nah bro
Marcus: I can't even get down there
Dalen: He almost died, suffocated trying
Marcus: So I know they dead.
Dalen: God dang. How, how is that your, your synopsis?
Marcus: Everybody's still down there, right?
Dalen: He's like, nope, they dead! They gone!
Marcus: No, this I'm coming out.Yeah, they dead because if I can't breathe, they can't breathe, right?
Dalen: Right
Juwan: And it's been a couple days.
Marcus: It's been a couple days, so I know that gives you about 16 hours.
Dalen: Right. But look, with no working water pumps for air or for the water, the shafts started filling up with water so they couldn't pump out none of the water, none of the air, none of that, bro. So the bodies of some of the dead crew members literally began to surface. And more than a year after the disaster, the last of them were found. So it took a whole year, bro, until they found the bodies of everybody that was at the bottom of that shaft.
Juwan: See, I sense this is where the urban legend comes in.
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Dalen: You’re right Juwan, here is the legend. A local newspaper reporter wrote, “During the time the miners were missing, villagers told strange tales of vague shapes and muffled wells near the waterfield pit,”
Juwan: Sounds poetic
Dalen: It does, man. It does. So then they said that, “workman claimed to see the lost miners carrying picks and shovels through a shroud of mist and snow on the mountaintop. The ghostly apparitions would appear briefly than vanish, leaving no footprints in the snow, giving no answers to the minor's calls. And after the miner's bodies were found, the apparitions literally disappeared. But the workman hearing the eerie moans did not stop.” So they said literally before they got all their bodies out there, bro, you could be over there and you would hear people yelling and screaming and moaning. They said that they saw like apparitions of like workers carrying pick axes and stuff. And then as soon as they moved the bodies, no one saw anything else, but they still heard the moans. So I wonder if, could that be like a residual haunting maybe?
[Music in: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Marcus: Could be.
Dalen: Just from all that agony of them being down there for over, almost a year.
Marcus: That's a lot of trauma.
Juwan: Yeah. But it also like, sounds like poltergeist activity. Right. But they ain't had no footprints, so they wasn't trying to get caught.
Marcus: Ohh, I feel you. Or the white walkers. Almost like the white walkers
Dalen: But look, like they said, it took literally 20 years for them to finish and over 200 people died from incidents like that, right. Workers felt like the tunnel was cursed and many of them refused to enter it ever again. Some of the crew members even walked off the job and didn't return
Marcus: I hear that. Shoot, you gotta pay me to go back in there!
Dalen: But that's bogus though. Like you heard the stories about people dying like it took, you heard about Tony that died 10 years ago.
Marcus: I did.
Juwan: And you chose to work here
Dalen: And you chose to come back
Marcus: But I didn't. I did not. That was not in the job description. You gonna hear moans
Juwan: But you said they'd have to pay you to work there. I'm pretty sure they pay you to come back
Marcus: But they have to pay me to go back, you know,
Juwan: Oh so you need double pay.
Marcus: Yeah. I need double pay. Scream and a half.
Dalen: Look, I got something for you though.
Marcus: What you got?
Dalen: But look. Back in 1874. You like dang, Dalen! At the same tunnel!
Marcus: How much has happened? Go ahead.
Dalen: Well, apparently a lot happened, Marcus cause back in 1874
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: A hunter named Frank Webster
Marcus: Good old Frank
Dalen: Say, man, Frank went missing near the tunnel.
Marcus: No..
Dalen: A search party ended up finding him three days later in a state of shock, like he looked like he had been through a ringer.
Marcus: What?
Dalen: He said, strange voices ordered him into the tunnel where ghostly figures wandered around him and invisible hands took his hunting rifle and beat the hell out of him with it
Juwan: I shouldn’t laugh
Marcus: Oh my gosh.
Juwan: But you never give up your gun.
Dalen: Never never.
Marcus: You don't give up your gun, doc
Dalen: But look, they said when they found him, he didn't have his rifle with him, but he did have cuts on his head and body. Like somebody had whooped his ass.
Marcus: Is that what, that’s what's in the report? That somebody had whooped his ass?
Dalen: Listen, it said Detective Johnson said he looked like somebody whooped his ass.
Juwan: Period.
Marcus: Scarred on top eye, near the lip. Yeah.
Dalen: He got his ass whooped is congruent with an ass whooping.
Marcus: Toxicology shows
Dalen: Toxicology shows
Marcus: He was sober, but he got his ass whooped.
Dalen: How does your toxicology report show that you got your ass whooped?
Marcus: That’s a bad ass whooping. That’s a bad ass whooping.
Juwan: That's a bad ass awhooping
Marcus: Whoops.
Juwan: Ah, shit. Gotta hurt.
Marcus: He have alcohol on his hands??
Dalen: Right. Your ass whooping was in your system!
Marcus: In your system! Gosh darn!
Dalen: You had .08 ass whooping!
Marcus: I dunno what happened. I dunno how these people showed up.
Juwan: So you passed the legal limit on ass whooping. Got it.
Dalen: He, he legally whooped your ass. Alright, we back, we back y'all.
Juwan: Man, you seem to know a lot about this. Do you know if any one has recently-
Dalen: About ass whoopings?
Juwan: Ass whoopings, men being blown up by explosives. Yeah. I mean, has anybody recently heard anything about the tunnel or seen anything?
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Dalen: Bro. Listen, it says locals in the area say strange winds, ghostly apparitions and eerie voices are experienced around and up in the tunnel,
Marcus: Dang. Why you still going up in that tunnel if you know it's passing out ass whoopings?
Dalen: Say, man, these tunnel has hands rated E
[Music out: Ghost Brothers Transition 4]
Marcus: For everybody
Juwan: This is just on a paranormal note, fellas. Does it sound like the tunnel is a portal? Like..
Dalen: A portal for ass whoopings?
Juwan: Or hell?
Dalen: Oh my gosh. What if, you know how portals just be popping up, right? And people be accidentally walking in the portals-
Juwan: And stumbling across them.
Dalen:What if somebody stumbled in a portal and it was an ass whopping portal?
Juwan: And you can't do nothing about it
Dalen: But get your ass whooped
Juwan: Because you can't see where it's coming from.
Dalen: Gawd dang. You went to the after life getting your ass whooped.
Marcus: You went through the, you went through the wrong portal.
Juwan: Wrong portal
Dalen: Took a left. When you should took a right.
Juwan: You shoulda have bobbed with
Juwan: Okay. All right. I think this brings us to the segment where we hear from our guest. Cause y'all are getting outta hand
Dalen: Man, it's either outta the hands or in the hands
Juwan: But it's to completion.
[Music: Ghost Brothers Ad Break 3]
Dalen: But we gonna finish. Hello! All right man. Our guest, Ashley Ray, has a crazy story to share with us today. But first we gotta take a quick break. So sit tight and don't let it bite you. Hello!
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[Music: Ghost Brothers Transition 1]
Dalen: All right, y'all. Welcome back and I'm excited to introduce you to this week's guest.
Dalen: We have Ashley Ray. She's a comedian, an actor, writer, and the host of the podcast, TV, I Say with Ashley Ray.
Ashley Ray: Hey!
Juwan: Hey!
Marcus: Hey, Ashley Ray!
Ashley: Thank you. Yes, that's, uh, it's all about that rhyme right there. I'm so happy to be here.
I'm so excited. Like I love ghost stories. I also love the just like witchy ghost vibe you have going on in your studio right now. This is, this is what I'm talking about.
Dalen: She over here seeing stuff?
Marcus: You see a witch?
Ashley: I, it's definitely like some definitely some witchy ghost stuff going on behind you, like
Juwan: We got the ohm symbol, we got some spiritual stuff going on in here. I, I see what you're saying.
Ashley: Yea, yeah. Not like, you know, like the white Salem witches, I mean, like, you know, the witches today where they're like, oh, I got some candles, some oils. Let me put on some Erika Badu
Juwan: That's funny. Ashley, so, you know, we do paranormal investigating, right?
Ashley: Yes, yes
Juwan: So we, we go out and we check out all different haunted locations. I know you had an experience, but before you share your experience, like, tell me what's your take on paranormal? What's your take on ghosts? Like, where do you fall on that spectrum?
Ashley: I believe in it. I absolutely believe in ghosts, spirits and I love all TV shows that are about, like ghost stuck in a location. I believe in the, if you die in a place, you're stuck there ghost theory
Dalen: Let me ask you this, are you the type of person that when you know a hundred years from now you pass away, would you choose to be a ghost?
Ashley: Oh no, absolutely not.
Dalen: Really?
Ashley: There's like four cool things about being a ghost, and I feel like I get so bored of it in like 20 years
Marcus: What are the - what’s the four?
Ashley: Okay, you can, and some ghost realities, you do get to still eat whatever you want. Like you can engage with metaphysical objects, but like the real world can't see it. So, you know, go ahead, drive that car you always wanted. Like you can live that world and like have every wonder you want, you know? But also it's like you are stuck in the place where you are so, if you die at school, you're stuck in your high school forever. I die in my apartment. I just have to like live with whoever lives here. That's gonna suck. Yeah. I also think ghost sex would probably be really cool. In everything I've seen, ghosts can have sex so that, that, you know, if there's cool people who died around you
Dalen: You know what's crazy? I actually did a spirit box session in a cemetery. I asked what do you miss the most? And the spirit said, sex.
Marcus: You damn right.
Dalen: So what does that mean? Does that mean that they miss it? And they want it? Or maybe he just not getting none on the other side? But I wonder, can a spirit meet a spirit on the other side?
Marcus: Mm.
Ashley: I like to believe they can.
Dalen: Ok
Ashley: Yeah. I choose to believe like, so in the story I'm gonna share, uh, it is a location where men died in this like, mining accident when they were building this tunnel. And I like to believe all those dudes are there together. Like you, you were together, you're together
Dalen: Now Ash, imma be honest with you, that don't sound like fun in the after life
Ashley: See that's why I think I wouldn't wanna be a ghost cuz you know, if you have a little bit of fun, you get to maybe fly, you know, you could do crazy stuff like jump off of things cuz like you can't hurt yourself
Marcus: So you could fly, but you gotta stay in the same spot? Or It could be like back in the day where, you know, you could go outside, but you had to be home by the street lights coming. So that's what happens
Juwan: So you have like an ankle monitor
Marcus: Yea! Only go, You could only fly so far
Juwan: That leads us to this. Ashley, what is your story? Like? What happened?
Marcus: Break it down.
Ashley: Yeah. So like I said, I believe in ghosts. I love a good, scary time. My senior year of college, my friends and I decided it's our know, big Halloween together. Let's go all out. And we had heard about the Hoosac Tunnel in West Adams, Massachusetts. It's a famous haunted tunnel because a long, long time ago when they were building it, they had to blast holes through these mountains to put a tunnel in for the trains. And as they were doing this project, there was a huge collapse and men died. Uh, and they were left there because they couldn't get the bodies out. Uh, but that's why people say it's haunted because they continue to build on top of these men who are still there. So we heard about this. We had seen it on a few, like ghost hunting shows, and we were like, you know, it'd be a good idea for Halloween. Let's go camp out there and a lot of drugs right next to the tunnel.
Juwan: Okay.
Dalen: Okay.
Juwan: So that was your idea?
Ashley: Oh yeah, it was, I would say my, yea. And I did go to like this liberal arts school in Massachusetts, but most of my friends, like I was from the city, my friends were from New York and we were just in this like forest location and hated it, but we still were like, let's go camping. And I'm from the Midwest, so I knew a bit about camping, but I was going with all these kids from like Brooklyn and the Bronx who -
Marcus: Yo. Ashley. Yo. Pass that. Pass the stick so we can get this fire popping. Son!
Dalen: Oh, you look mad dumb!
Marcus: Mad dumb, son!
Ashley: Mad dumb. Like truly, they were just like, yo, it's mad dumb. It's wet out here on these rocks. And I'm like, yeah, there's a river right here. They didn't know how to start a fire. They didn't know how to keep it going. But me and like the, the Midwest people and like these two white boys who came with us, who, to this day, I really don't even know how they found their way with us and so me and my friends, we like find a little area. I start a fire from them. I was a Girl Scout, so I got them all set up. I'm like, here you go. And I start to explain the drug choices we have. I'm like, look, some of us are experts. Me, at the time I was an expert. I was like, I'm doing it all. So everybody like does their thing. And like, pretty soon I am just like, I hear voices and I'm running up this mountain. Uh, at some point lost my pants, like running up a mountain cuz I heard voices. The two white boys were like, we're gonna go walk into the tunnel as deep as we can.
Marcus: Why would you not?
Ashley: Why would you not do that? And so they do that and then we, we leave all the like New York kids at the fire voices. I was like, I have to run up this hill to help these people. And like the whole time my boyfriend is just like, Ashley, where are you going? Like just running after me and I'm like, you don't hear like all of this. And then the guys who went into the tunnel were like we heard the voices of the people and we walked into the tunnel until we were surrounded by darkness.
Marcus: You know what I see, you know what I'm investigating right now?
Dalen: Some trespassers?
Marcus: For you guys to be the ones who did the most, could it really have been the spirits or was it the spirit? Or you think that you were enhanced and you felt closer?
Ashley: I think I felt closer to this spirit realm.
Dalen: Yup, yup
Ashley: I've done those other drugs before. I had this quick experience where I saw like all of the trees kind of like fold in on themselves and I started to see people like come out and I was like, I'm connecting to death. And the other two white and they also were like, we heard voices in the tunnel. We walked until we were like surrounded by darkness, and then they heard dogs barking and decided to run. We're all like screaming, we heard these ghosts and we eventually like running back and all the New York kids are just like, yo, the fire went out like two hours ago. It's cold as shit.
Dalen: Cold as shit out here B
Juwan: What took you so long?
Ashley: It's cold. We wanna go.
Dalen: We're lost B
Juwan: We been waiting on y'all
Dalen: I’m hungry, B
Marcus: It's mad fugazi B. You out here with no pants, ma?
Dalen: Right
Marcus: Where your pants at yo?
Ashley: And the pants were like holding me back. Like I remember the sticks, like pulling me and just being like, I gotta just free myself of this. And we get back to the fire and the, the Brooklyn kids are, we wanna go, let's go. And that's when I realized we had left the car keys. We had driven up in two different cars with me and my partner who had done the most drugs. We can't find these car keys at all. Were they eventually in the very front pocket of my partner's book bag? Yes. Yes, they were right in there
Marcus: After three hours of searching,
Dalen: Right.
Ashley: I'm just like, maybe they were in my pants pocket. Like ike, don't you see? This is the spirits, but what I will say, what I will say is that as we are looking for these keys and like all separating on our own paths, like my friend runs into this group of like white dread headed hippie drummers
Dalen: Okay
Ashley: And that's what I had been hearing. It turns out that like as I was going up thinking I was following the voice of ghosts, it actually was like this group of hippies that was like hanging. I was just like, oh my God, that must have been within what I was hearing. They were like, yeah, duh. And so they like, come back to our campgrounds, restart the fire. Cuz they're like, that will help you find keys. You know, like a, like light from a fire we hadn't thought about that had not crossed my mind. Cuz that's when we finally like see like, oh look in the front bag of the book bag. We find the keys, everything starts coming together. They're like, oh, thank you. Glad we could help, like we hang out a bit more.
Dalen: Start sobering up a bit.
Ashley: Yea, started to laugh about the situation
Dalen: Started coming down.
Ashley: We're like, let's put this fire out. Let's, let's go back to campus. And we started doing this. And to get back to where our cars were, we had to like go back to like this path where we thought that hippie group was and like some other people. And we're going back and it is pitch quiet, like black, quiet, no noise. No noise at all. And we get back to our cars. And there's, at this point, like some other like campers who have pulled up and we were like, oh, there's like a hippie group. And they were just like, we haven't seen anyone else out here.
Dalen: See, see
Juwan: Yeah.
Dalen: The Hills have eyes.
Juwan: Do you think Halloween had anything to do with it? Like, I mean, and why did you choose to do it on Halloween?
Ashley: It is a famous haunted tunnel. So a lot of people go out there for Halloween. It's like in the area, like a common, like Halloween dare to go camp at the Hoosac Tunnel on Halloween. Because it's, you know, it's famous.
Dalen: Would you do it now?
Ashley: I would
Juwan: Okay, you would go back again
Ashley: Yeah. I would do it now and in fact I would do it sober so I could compare the experiences
Dalen: Okay
Ashley: Because when those people were like, we haven't seen anyone else out here, and we would've noticed like a loud group of camping hippies. I was just like, what? They were ghosts? They were not real?
Dalen: How insane would that have been? What if it was like, what if they just literally vanished.
Ashley: Right. What if they are campers who died out there in the sixties
Dalen: Omg!
Ashley: or something? And then they're also tied to the location. And then the New York kids who didn't do that many drugs were just like, they're probably just like fucking around
Dalen: Omg, right
Ashley: And like they're probably just like hippies in a drum circle and they're like, they probably just moved somewhere else
Dalen: Wait, wait. The New York saw the hippies? The hippies see the hippies? Or did she and her partner see hippies?
Marcus: I'm thinking that her and her partner saw the hippies.
Ashley: Oh no, the New Yorkers saw the hippies, too
Dalen: So everybody saw the hippies
Marcus: I’m just making sure
Ashley: They fully and they started a fire for us because we were just sitting there in the dark and cold trying to find these keys completely drugged out.
Dalen: She said completely drugged out
Ashley: Using our phones. And then they were like, our friends who had gone in the tunnel were the ones who found them. And I was just like, we did find the keys when they came to help us. Like they were some sort of spirit guidance presence and the fact that they were like a whole group. I mean, a four people, but we were probably like six people. And in this case, I do believe that they were ghosts. I choose to believe that those hippies were spirits, that somehow they were tied to the spirits in the tunnel, that they helped guide us out of there that day.
Dalen: Ashley, that's funny man.
Juwan: It is.
Dalen: Well, listen, we appreciate you sharing your story with us. Thank you so much for your time, man. That conversation was dope, man. I appreciate that. It definitely thought provoking.
Marcus: Yeah, I rock with you, Ashley. I appreciate you
Juwan: That was good.
Ashley: Thank you. This was so much fun. Thanks for letting me tell this story. I'm team, the hippies were ghosts.
Marcus: I am too
Ashley: Till this day I believe, they were hippies
Juwan: I appreciate your vulnerability cuz a lot of people won't say they went to a haunted location on drugs because of the mere fact that like, it would almost interfere with what you may come across. But like that also makes the experience and so like, this is super dope, Ashley. Like, I think that really enlightened our mindset for our next investigation.
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Dalen: Well, again, thank you so much for your time, blessing to you.
Marcus: Thank you, Ashley.
Juwan: All right, Ashley.
Ashley: Oh, thank you so much.
Juwan: Well, thank you so much Ashley for coming on the show! We appreciate it!
Marcus: Man, her story was great! Let's get into this game now!
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Marcus: Now it's time to play a little game. One I would like to call. Would you rather. I'll give you guys two scenarios to choose from. All right? You have to pick one and tell me why you picked it. Sound good? All right. Here we go.
Juwan: Sounds good
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Marcus: Right. All question number one, would you rather be a ghost or haunted by a ghost? And why?
Dalen: Oo. I don't know if I would want to be a ghost man, cuz this is like you stuck here forever. Can I go back like, am I a ghost on the hall pass? Like I live in heaven, but I can come to earth and kick it every once in a while, or I gotta stay here?
Marcus: That's on behavior. That's on how you've been doing in, in heaven.
Dalen: Okay. Okay, so I'm, so I'm in hell then
Marcus: So we know where you at.
Dalen: Okay, gotcha. What you doin J Mass?
Juwan: I think I'm gonna be a ghost
Dalen: I could see you being one
Marcus: You'd be a pleasant ghost.
Juwan: I'd be like a guardian angel.
Marcus: You would be a ghost that would give advice.
Dalen: Right. Unsolicited advice.
Marcus: Now listen, I don't know if you wanna leave that there. That could burn the whole house down. I'm just saying.
Juwan: The last time that outcomes were not favorable.
What about you Marcus? Would you be a ghost or would you be haunted by ghost?
Marcus: Uhh, definitely be a ghost cuz I don't know what kind of ghost I'm gonna get on this side. So it could be like, they're people, they're all ordinary people, so I much rather just be a ghost.
Dalen: Ok, that's fair.
[Music in: Ghost Brothers Transition 2]
Marcus: Ok, here we go. Second question, fellas. Here we go. All right. Alright. Would you rather see every shadow in your room come to life at night or hear voices whispering from the walls
Dalen: Oh my gosh bro, both of those are the worst
Marcus: They're the worst, best questions ever! The questions of terror!
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Dalen: Oh man. I really don't know. Cause I think seeing shadows come to life would freak me the like that would, I don't think I could live with that
Juwan: I’m already startled by shadows.
Dalen: You’re afraid of shadows?
Juwan: I sometimes get startled by shadows
Marcus: You see shadows often?
Juwan: No. We're just talking about shadows in general. So like you could see the branch in your room off of like the light from a window, right?
Dalen: Oh, excuse me, Mr. Two Story House, man.
Marcus: I don't have no trees. I don't have no trees. Where I'm from!
Dalen: Mr. I got windows in my room.
Juwan: If that branch comes to life. And it looks like it's like to grab you or whatever it does. They think that would be creepy, but then also, so you start hearing things that you don't see.
Marcus: So what you gonna go with?
Dalen: I'm gonna go with the whispers man. Cause I just put my earphones in
Marcus: But they're still -
Juwan: They're still, they're still there.
Marcus: They’re in the whispers. They're one level.
Dalen: It’s in my head?
Juwan: No, you're listening to the whispers
Marcus: Well, no, I know you already have those. I know you already have those voices, but we're not talking about those voices.
Dalen: Ok
Marcus: We're talking about ghost voices
Dalen: But I hear them at all times?
Marcus: Yes.
Dalen: Even when I put earphones in
Marcus: Yeah.
Dalen: Yup they, cause they, in my head. Okay.
Juwan: Or they're just loud enough to hear, to talk over the music.
Marcus: So no matter how loud you
Dalen: Uncomfortable.
Marcus: No matter how loud you play
Dalen: So Dalen! it's like at the club. So Dalen!
Marcus: Hey, what's up?
Juwan: Just loud enough,
Dalen: Right? Bro that shit would be irritating as hell
Marcus: That would be stupid.
Dalen: What would you take?
Marcus: I'm gonna definitely say, um, now, I said, come to life, you know, come to life is totally different.
Dalen: Right, that means it could possibly
Marcus: It could actually be doing what it is doing.
Juwan: Yeah, bro.
Marcus: So I'd much rather just hear, you know, nice words of encouragement.
Marcus: Good job. Good job. Good job. Marcus. Marcus, you're doing good. All right. That's a good one.
Dalen: We got this last one. You got one more for us, huh?
Marcus: All right. Here we go. Would you rather be trapped in a tunnel filled with bats or trapped in a tunnel filled with spiders
Juwan: Bats. Okay, we talking bats
Dalen: We talking daddy long legs or we talking tarantulas?
Juwan: Off rip
Marcus: Daddy long legs.
Dalen: Oh, I do Daddy long legs. You can't be stuck with no daddy long legs, bro.
Juwan: Bro, but they like, they'll start getting into all your, your holes, bro. Like your ears.
Marcus: Whoa, whoa
Dalen: Whoa
Juwan: Yeah, I like, and you can't see them, bro. And they're crawling everywhere. At least bats, you know, in a dark tunnel. They're just hanging from the ceiling. And you don't have to interact,
Dalen: Bro. Do you know how many, if you stuck in a tunnel full of bats
Juwan: I might come out a superhero.
Dalen: Do you definitely would-
Marcus: I definitely feel like I could come out with a butler if I, if yeah, if I have, if I'm in a tunnel, I can come out with a butler who can train me on, on martial arts and all other analytics of crime stopping and still gimme tea.
Marcus: So you saying bats and you said spiders
Dalen: I said Daddy long legs.
Juwan: He tried to pick the species
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Juwan: That's it for our game. Now it's time to hear from you. Do y'all have some creepy, scary stories that y'all want to share on our podcast?
Dalen: Next up we have a listener submission from Brian in California. What's up, Bryan?
Juwan: Let us know how you feel
Dalen: Brian in California
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Brian: Hey, Ghost Brothers. My name's Brian and this is my ghost story. Back when I was in junior high and early high school and we're talking way back, I used to, uh, deliver our local newspaper, uh, to make a little bit extra cash. So our local newspaper used to get delivered in the morning times, which meant I had to be up usually 4:30, 5 o'clock to get the papers folded, loaded on my bike and then out the door to be delivered.
So one middle December morning, I was out doing my paper route and it was dark that morning, obviously, as it is in December, and it was foggy like we get in the wintertime here in the central San Joaquin Valley. So I had turned a corner, uh, on one of the streets and was getting set to head down the block to the next street to deliver papers.
And I had noticed a ways up the street, I could barely see two people walking on the sidewalk coming towards me. Now on this particular block where I was going through the house on the very corner didn't have its garage facing the street that I had just come off of it was, uh, one that the garage actually faced.
The street I had turned onto, and there weren't very many houses along that street that, that were that way. So I hopped my bike off of the curb, uh, to let the people that were coming at me have a free ride, free rain on the sidewalk, and while I rode by them in the street. So as they started to come out of the fog a little bit more, I noticed that it was a gentleman in full dress, Marine Corps blues walking arm in arm with a lady that I can only assume was either his wife or his girlfriend.
She was wearing a pink dress, a low heels, white gloves, and a hat with like some netting on it that kind of hung over her face. I didn't get a good look at either their of their faces because they were both looking down while they were walking. I didn't think anything of it. And so as they were walking across the driveway that split the sidewalk, I got to where they were at and just by them, and then rode up the little ramp that led out to the street from the driveway to get back onto the sidewalk.
Now as I got up onto the ramp and straightened out onto the sidewalk, I just happened to do a quick glance back to look at the two people that I had just passed, and they were gone. There was nobody anywhere to be seen. They just disappeared into, I don't know, whatever. And obviously I was a little freaked out because there was literally no place for them to go that I wouldn't have been able to see 'em.
And I just, all right. Well, I just kept on doing my paper route and got back to the house and I didn't think of it until a little bit later. But the one thing that I didn't notice at the time until I thought about it later, was as they were walking him in his dress shoes and her in heels. Neither one of them made a sound whenever they took a step.
So it was just a really strange, kind of cool little incident that happened, and hopefully you liked the story.
Juwan: Thank you Brian. We appreciate that.
Dalen: So let me tell you something about that story, man. First of all, do they even let kids deliver paper anymore?
Cause you know, they snatching kids now. This ain't like the nineties.
Juwan: I thought. I think that has to be a supervised role.
Dalen: You have to bro
Juwan: You can't let kids do that
Dalen: Bro, I wouldn't dare send my baby out there to men to deliver, uh, newspapers.
Juwan: She's only two.
Dalen: Well, hey man, she gotta start contributing at some age.
Juwan: Wait, she gotta start doing what?
Dalen: Contributing, contributing at some age, man. She gotta earn her keep, but no, lemme tell you why I believe everything Brian has said
Juwan: Because it happened to us in Savannah,
Dalen: Because it damn happened to us in Savannah. I know we talked about it before, but bro. We've been in situations where we've seen someone in period dress.
Juwan: Yes, and they were walking down the sidewalk with us.
Dalen: Yeah, but only thing different. She talked to us.
Juwan: Yes. And nobody else said they heard her.
Dalen: Right.
Juwan: So, he didn't have any interaction with any other people, but he also said the lady, those two weren't making a sound
Dalen: Right, he heard nothing coming from them
Juwan: And they had on hard bottoms
Dalen: And you know what happens when you got hard bottoms on concrete? It’s like you can't sneak up on nobody with hard bottoms on concrete.
Juwan: It's a performance about to go down.
Dalen: Somebody tap dancing. Hey, I, that was creepy.
Juwan: But no, when it with us, remember the lady? She gave us some information, like our first little rule in paranormal.
Dalen: Yep.
Juwan: You gotta tell the spirits to stay whenever you're talking to them, and you don't want them to follow you.
Dalen: But the - remember she made us repeat it.
Juwan: Yes.
Dalen: She made us repeat it.
Juwan: Yes.
Dalen: She told us, Hey, before you leave here, make sure all the spirits stay don't follow you.
Juwan: And we was like, we was like, oh, okay, cool.
Dalen: And she was like, no! Say it! And so we said it. But yeah, just like buddy said, bro, literally she was there and then she wasn't.
But what is that though? What would that be? Like a residual type hunting? So you think maybe that couple that he saw, maybe walk down that driveway. Maybe that was their house back in the day. They usually take that, that walk to the curb.
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: And you think even in the afterlife they still taking that walk?
Juwan: I feel like, yes,
Dalen: Yes
Juwan: To your question. I think it definitely is a residual haunting.
Dalen: Ok
Juwan: I think it was, I think the lady that we experienced was residual, and I think that the lady that he, the, the couple that he experienced was residual.
Dalen: Let me ask your opinion, Marcus.
Marcus: Yep.
Dalen: How do you feel about the potential of seeing somebody that you think is real?
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: And then turning around, and then they just gone.
Marcus: Like, me right now?
Dalen: Right. Marcus ain’t here
Marcus: Because I just came out nowhere
Juwan: It's not Marcus.
Marcus: I feel it's creepy and freaky and wiggly, wiggly, wiggly. I don't know if that's really the term
Dalen: Oh. Or if that fits where we were in the conversation?
Marcus: It feels like the energy matched, at least
Juwan: Cause I didn't hear Marcus
Dalen: Yeah. But yeah, but that's wild though.
Juwan: Yeah.
Dalen: That's wild, man. Brian in California, man, listen bro, I believe you man. If nobody else does, I do.
Marcus: Brian, I love you Brian
Juwan: Thank you for your submission, B. Thank you, B
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Marcus: All right. This is all we have for you guys, you listeners, you beautiful people, you loved ones of ours, you legends. You know, we're gonna call our people the legends. We're gonna call our fans.
Dalen: Just going give them a name?
Juwan: A name
Dalen: On the fly.
Marcus: On the fly!
Dalen: All right my legends.
Marcus: Alright my legends
Juwan: Not to be confused with John
Dalen: Not to be confused with John!
Marcus: Not to be confused. All right my legends, remember. Remember, if you wanna hear more creepy stories on our podcast, please submit all your voice memos to GhostbrothersPodcast.com. That’s GhostBrothersPodcast.com. Go ahead, submit it. I know you got some creepy stories out there.
Juwan: Man, that is right. We want to hear a spooky, ghostly or paranormal experience. Also, review and rate us five stars from wherever you hear your podcasts
Dalen: And that's it yall for Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers
Marcus: See you next week. Shall we, see you next week!
Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers is produced by Neon Hum Media for Discovery Plus.
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For Discovery +, our executive producer is Michael DiSalvo
At Neon Hum, our Executive Producer is Shara Morris.
Our lead producer is Charis Satchell.
Our associate producers are Navani Otero and Anne Lim.
Our production manager is Samantha Allison.
Music by Asha Iwanowicz.
Concept by Odelia Rubin and Shara Morris.
Our engineers are Hansdale Hsu, Max Unruh and Laila Williams.
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