A large owl with piercing red eyes called the chickcharney is said to have roamed the Andros Islands millions of years ago, but is it still around today? On this episode, Bahamian environmental scientist Scott Johnson gives the scoop on this legend's current whereabouts.
A large owl with piercing red eyes called the chickcharney is said to have roamed the Andros Islands millions of years ago, but is it still around today? On this episode, Bahamian environmental scientist Scott Johnson gives the scoop on this legend's current whereabouts.
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Juwan Mass: What's up everybody? Everyone, welcome back to another episode of Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers. You know who I am, the paranormal papi. I'm Juwan Mass
Marcus Harvey: And I'm your man, thee Marcus Harvey.
Dalen Spratt: And don't forget about me, baby. The bad boy of paranormal himself, Dalen Lorenzo Spratt. And guess what y'all for today's legends, we are headed to The Bahamas.
Juwan: I just want us to investigate some warm places. I mean, I want us to go to some feel good spots, you know what I’m saying?
Dalen: And you wanna be wearing hoochie daddy shorts.
I heard the length of your shorts determine how much money you have. The shorter the shorts, the more money you have.
Marcus: That's why I wear Speedos.
Dalen: That's why you got your ass hanging out?
Marcus: I be cheeked out!
Cheeked out. Come on baby.
Juwan: Double cheeked up.
Marcus: I'm double cheeked up on a Wednesday.
Dalen: Okay. Okay!
Juwan: Sounds like, Bahamas is your kind of place!
Dalen: But you know what y'all, but even the place that feels like paradise, urban legends still creep around.
Marcus: They sure do
Dalen: Specifically the Andros islands.
Marcus: Whoa!
Dalen: You see in this legend, man, this legend is interesting. I'm talking about, this is probably gonna be one of the craziest things you ever heard when we start talking about islands.
Marcus: Well tell them what it is.
Dalen: Listen, man it's the legend of the chickcharney.
Marcus: Chickcharney?
Dalen: Chickcharney.
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Juwan: No, bro. You actually gotta picture it. It's something like an owl.
Marcus: Okay.
Juwan: But three feet tall.
Marcus: Oh, okay.
Juwan: That's about it. That's all I got. Just like an owl with legs.
Marcus: I, I dunno if I'll be too scared of a three foot owl.
Dalen: Oh, lemme ask you this.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: How tall would the owl have to be?
Marcus: About three and a half feet tall.
Juwan: Okay.
Marcus: Yeah. Like cause that -
Juwan: So if it was wearing heels?
Marcus: If it had a kitten heel or a wedge. Ooh! I, I, I wouldn't mess with it.
Cause that, that means it's off limits. It means it's responsible.
Juwan: So if you saw it walking towards you, what would you do?
Marcus: Walk the other way.
Juwan: Hmm, okay.
Dalen: All right. Juwan, what's your next move?
Juwan: You know, Imma see how agile it is. I'm gonna go left to right.
Marcus: Are you gonna do like a raise up and shoulder shake down?
Juwan: Yeah, a juke move. Yeah.
Dalen: Yall know damn well that owls got skinny legs.
Juwan: So, they knees gon knock?
Dalen: What you going do? What move you gonna make?
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Dalen: All right, y'all, let's jump into the legend of the chickcharney. Like I said, it looks like an owl with long legs, it's about three feet tall with fine feathers all over its body. But what's crazy about the chickcharney is they have three fingers, three toes and large piercing red eyes situated on the head that allegedly could turn around almost 360 degrees.
Marcus: 360! So they head on a swivel. Swivel, swivel, swivel.
Juwan: Uh, I think owls do that already.
Dalen: Owls can only really turn their head 270 degrees in either direction.
I just looked that up cause I didn't wanna put no lie out here in these streets
Marcus: Because this sounds more like one of 'em exorcist type situations, you know, like you, you remember The Exorcist, the movie?
Juwan: Yeah. No, I remember that, bro. Cursing out the priest flipping the whole room upside down.
Dalen: That literally was probably one of the scariest movies of all time.
Marcus: Yeah, definitely, definitely, definitely bro.
Dalen: Now don't forget now, according to the lore, the chickcharney lives in pine forests on the Andros Island and they live in nests. So supposedly by taking the tops of two pine trees and tying them together.
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Marcus: Oh, oh. So with them three figures, they know how to tie something together?
Dalen: Oh, bro listen.
Juwan: That’s all you need is three fingers to tie.
Dalen: All you need is your thumb.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Your index and your pinky.
Juwan: I actually don't think you need the pinky.
Dalen: No, I think you do.
Juwan: The pinky don't need to be there.
Dalen: No, you do cuz you gotta, it's certain things your pinky can only do.
Juwan: No, you gotta have your pinky toe. The pinky toe. You gotta keep the pinky on your finger. You can get rid of.
Dalen: But look, check this out though. The whole idea of the chickcharney is based off of a creature called the Bahamian giant barn out. This thing was roaming around parts of the Caribbean millions of years ago.
But the question still remains, does this thing exist today? Or just people out here trippin?
Marcus: Shoot. I mean, how many people be like, dang, are my eyes trippin? Do I see a three foot, three fingered? Three toed-
Dalen: That’s alot of threes going around
Marcus: A lot. Tree, tree, tree, you know what I'm saying? There's a lot of threes out there, baby. I, I'm, see, you know
Juwan: A big ass owl. The size of a toddler. If I see that….
Marcus: What you doing?
Juwan: I'm telling everybody.
I'm gonna be an influencer at that moment. I'm capturing it - on IG immediately.
Marcus: Oh yea. That's a million. That's a million views. Easy out the gate.
Dalen: So maybe the thing still is around, you know what I'm saying?
But here's the best part. It's mischievous and it's very, very aggressive depending on how you treat it.
They said if someone comes around a chickcharney, they should be nice to it. And those who treat the chickcharney well show respect are said to be rewarded with good luck.
Juwan: I guess there's a flip side to this thing,
Dalen: Man. You got it. Cuz if you mean or if you laugh at it, you'll have bad luck. Apparently. If it gets really angry, it will violently and forcibly twist the person's neck all the way around like its own.
Marcus: It's going, Steven Segal you?
Dalen: Bro, listen.
Marcus: Cause you talking junk? Oh, that's a very petty-
Dalen: But, you know what, I feel like this, this legend teaches you a really great life lesson.
Juwan: Mm-hmm. Treat others how you wanna be treated?
Dalen: Not even that, bro. Just don't treat anybody messed up, bro. It ain't even about how you want to be treated.
Like just don't treat anybody messed up no matter how they are or who they are or how they come off, man.
Juwan: Because you don't know who you may be entertaining.
Dalen: Okay so here are some stories of how the legend of the chickcharney have played out. Look, a man went out for a walk in the pine forest and came across a baby chickcharney that fell out of his nest, right? He saw that it was in trouble and he put it back in the nest and went home just like any other upright citizen.
Marcus: Good old wholesome man.
Dalen: But see, the next morning he woke up to a giant conch pearl at his front door. This kind of pearl is rare and very, very valuable.
Juwan: Bro, my man got a huge payday.
Dalen: Listen. Listen. He did the right thing and was blessed for it.
Juwan: Yes.
Dalen: Something as so small as putting a bird back in this nest was rewarded to him a thousand times over.
Marcus: What would you have done with that pearl? I'd a bit it
Dalen: Boy, I would've went straight to the pawn shop.
Marcus: Yup.
Juwan: Pawn shop. Y'all wouldn’t gift it to y'all wives?
Dalen: Hell naw!
Marcus: Man, now this is how all bad movies start.
Dalen: Right.
Marcus: You gift it to your wife and now the whole cartel after y'all.
Dalen: Right.
Marcus:You should've just let that thing go.
Dalen: To the pawn shop.
Marcus: Boom.
Dalen: Look, look, look. They gonna give you a third of what it's worth.
Marcus: Yeah.
Juwan: And you ain't had nothing before.
Dalen: You ain't had nothing before you
Marcus: So you got a third free.
Dalen: There you go. But look, here's another one.
Marcus: Mm-hmm.
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Dalen: A family was walking through the forest and saw a pair of chickcharney’s building their nest. A child was there, laughed at the chickcharneys and threw something at them. The parents took the child home and told them, "You should never mistreat chickcharney because bad things can happen to you.”
But the child didn't listen and went back to bother them again, throwing mo stuff at 'em. The boy got attacked and now walks around the Andros Islands with a permanent limp.
Marcus: Oh, that just sounds like you got your ass whooped.
Dalen: He got his ass WHOOPED!
Marcus: And deservingly cuz your mama told you stay your ass from over there and what'd you go do?
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Dalen: He went over there.
Juwan: He went over there anyway
Do you think his limp is because he got his head, his neck twisted.
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Marcus: Ooh, maybe they just twisted his hip because they, cause I'm just, I don't think that it's just about them twisting your neck.
Dalen: Look man, I got just the guy to answer your questions. So, because the chickcharney is based off of a real but extinct or maybe not animal, we're actually gonna switch it up a little bit this week and chat with an environmentalist who knows all about this legend.
He'll help us get to the bottom of whether or not such an animal really exists.
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Juwan: All right. Welcome back Legenders. I think that's what we calling them.
Dalen: I hate - we gotta come up with a better name!
Juwan: Nah man.
Marcus: Legenders, we’re going with it.
Juwan: But yo, check this out fellas. I'm excited to introduce this week's guest all the way from The Bahamas to help clear things up. This is Scott Johnson. He's a multi hyphenate y'all.
Dalen: Multi.
Juwan: You know what that means.
Dalen: I don't.
Juwan: You dont?
Dalen: What does that mean?
Marcus: He's slash
Juwan: No, bro.
Dalen: He's a superhero?
Juwan: No bro, he's efficient in several different categories, you know what I'm saying? He is a terrestrial biologist, an environmental scientist, a wildlife educator, and a published author. My man does a lot.
Dalen: Wow. Well, welcome on in Scott, man!
Marcus: Come on in. Take your shoes off, brother!
Dalen: Get, get comfortable.
Scott Johnson: Thanks for having me, guys. Really, really, really, really grateful for the opportunity.
Dalen: So, so Scott, man, let's jump right into it, man. Can you tell me a little bit about yourself, man? Like, let me know what your background is.
Scott Johnson: Well, I'm a wildlife biologist. I am a Bahamian terrestrial biologist who enjoys the outdoors. So, I like learning about everything Bahamian and terrestrial. I'm a real animal guy, so, um, some of my favorite animals are snakes. Um, but my, my major focus is reptiles and birds, but snakes really are a very big part of my, uh, my work.
And, uh, I am an advocate for snake conservation. So don't like people chopping up, especially native and endemic.
Dalen: Ok, do you remember the movie Anaconda?
Scott Johnson: I do.
Dalen: How did that movie make you feel when it came out
Marcus: Was that propaganda?
Dalen: Right. The man!
Scott Johnson: All it is is just, just nonsense propaganda. They made that snake look more like a villain than anything else.
Marcus: Was there a lot of Anaconda hate after that?
Scott Johnson: Yeah.
Marcus: I knew it was.
Scott Johnson: Like, ah, nonsense.
Marcus: Brainwashing these folks knowing that the anaconda just want to hug you. That's all they wanna do.
Dalen: That's it.
A little friendly tight hug
Marcus: Friendly little tight hug
Juwan: A warm embrace
Scott Johnson: Yeah. Just give you a nice warm embrace, right?
Marcus: You know,
Scott Johnson: Yeah.
Dalen: Okay. So what are you, what are you currently working on right now in the moment? Like what, what's, what's one project that has your attention?
Scott Johnson: Well, currently I am trying to finish a paper that I'm writing that focuses on birds and national parks. A few years ago I was collecting some data on what were the birds doing in our national parks. We don't have a lot of decent information on the foraging behavior of birds in most of our national parks, so I wanted to try and change that.
And so I started collecting data, started looking over it, and now I'm starting to write. Hopefully I'll have something ready for publication at the end of the year.
Dalen: Oh, that's dope.
Now, is that something that like you've always been into since even as a young child, were you like that kid that were into like spiders and, you know, and creatures and reptiles like that? Like where does that interest come from?
Scott Johnson: Absolutely. When I was a child, I was big on animals. My favorite animals were dinosaurs, so you know, I wanted to be a palaeontologist when I was a child.
But then I realized that the subaerial surface of The Bahamas is only 500,000 years old at most. And so I'm not gonna really see any dinosaur bones, but I am gonna see some animals from the pleistocene, a period, which is about 2.6 million years to, uh, about 11,060 years or so, like that.
Marcus: Wow. You know what's amazing about that? My son loves dinosaurs. My son even identifies as a raptor.
Scott Johnson: Yeah. One time ago I used to do that same thing.
I was acting out everything dinosaur, like Velociraptors. I was just like, at one time going school, I was called raptor boy.
Marcus: Yeah. Hey man,
I'm telling you, my son prays sometimes and says rawrr.
Dalen: Wow. Oh, he ends it with that?
Marcus: Yeah. Not in Jesus' name, but rawrrrr.
Scott Johnson: Right.
Marcus: I’m like, okay, that's what you're doing now. You just gonna go ahead and say it.
Juwan: Don’t talk about him and his relationship with his God.
Marcus: Hey, I can't fight. I can't fight that.
Praise him while you got your chance, baby.
Dalen: But it's crazy. I read an article recently that said that children that are very, very much so into dinosaurs are very much so intellectuals.
Scott Johnson: Yeah, I think I may have read an article very similar to that as well. So when I hear kids talk about how they love dinosaurs and stuff like that, you, you embrace that. You wanna nurture that, that interest, that passion, because that opens up a whole world of opportunities for the children.
So when I see kids saying that they love dinosaurs and animals, hey, I'm all for it. You know, I, if I could find some birds, cause you know, birds are dinosaurs, right? So if I could find some birds and take you out birding and show you some amazing species that we have and teach you a bit about it, hey, that's exactly what I'm gonna do.
Juwan: That kind of leads me to this question.
Can you tell us about chickcharney?
Scott Johnson: Oh yeah, man. The chickcharney is a mythical creature that lives in The Bahamas, namely on the island of Andros, or the island complex of Andros. It can be a mischievous little creature, so think of it has the face of a human, but it has the legs of a bird, and in some iterations it has three fingered hands and it has a tail.
And it has big red eyes, and it is said that if you mistreat them, bad things will happen to you. But if you treat them well, good things can happen to you. So it's either a bad omen or a good omen depends on how you behave around it.
Marcus: That sounds like this little kid that I used to go to school with in, in the third grade named Terry.
He had a face like a person, but he had chicken legs. I didn't trust this little kid.
Dalen: Didn’t trust them.
Marcus: I couldn't trust him.
Dalen: How'd you treat him though?
Juwan: How did you - yeah
Marcus: I treated him nice cause I couldn't trust him.
And that's why I'm doing this podcast now.
Dalen: Cause life's good for you.
Marcus: Life is good for me.
But nonetheless, man, that's crazy though. Tell us more like do you believe in it?
Scott Johnson: I do
Marcus: Word
Scott Johnson: I do believe that there is a creature, or at least there was a creature of which the chickcharney legend came from. And also, the chickcharney legend originated with the Black Seminals who came to Andros in the 1800s. They are stock from Florida and, there was the sole seminal war that happened and, some of them went in their canoes and stuff like, then came down to Andros and they set up shop in the western side of Andros.
In fact, the seminal settlement, which is called Red Bays, is the most Western settlement on Andros.
Dalen: So, okay, lemme ask you this, lemme take it back to you being a child. Do you remember how early you heard about this mythical creature? And did you believe in it back then? You know what I'm saying? Did people use it as a, a scaring tactic?
Scott Johnson: Well, you know, like with all kinds of, with those old stories, Hansel and Gretel and all that kind of stuff, it, it was always a story that teaches you, Hey, if you're bad, this is what's gonna happen. If you're good, this is what's gonna happen. Don't go off in the bush, don't go off in the wilderness because there are creatures there that can eat you and stuff like that.
But me being a person that loves animals, when I came across these stories as a child, I was fascinated on them. And so reading the stories of, uh, reading a couple of stories and a couple of poems on them, and you just hear the -
You just hear about the little girl who mistreated one and she got attacked and, and all that kind of stuff. And I, my eyes are just like, whoa, I really gotta be careful if I go to these places and there are creature's there, so.
Marcus: They got hands
Scott Johnson: Yeah. Exactly. They got hands and -
Marcus: They got three fingers
Juwan: And feet.
Dalen: Got little legs though.
Marcus: They got little legs, but they do got hands. They might got three fingers on them, but they jab it.
Dalen: Do you feel like you've ever ran across or maybe possibly seen something in that family?
I'm assuming you spend a lot of time outside.
Scott Johnson: There was actually a time when I was out at night doing some research and we just heard the airy call of a creature flying at night.
Dalen: Oh wow.
Scott Johnson: You turn on your flashlight and you are looking around and you don't see it until you flip it around to a tree and you just see these glowing eyes -
Dalen: Oh wow
Scott Johnson: In the tree, eight? And it turns out that it was a barn owl.
Juwan: Mm.
Scott Johnson: And barn owls, if you ever listen to a barn owl screech, it is an airy haunting call. And that's where I personally believe the story of the chickcharney may have originated from. People were out crabbing, they were looking for crabs and they stumble across a barn owl at a roof site and the owls screeching and it freaks them out. And so naturally those are like the beginnings of a mythology so you go and you tell them stories and then boom, the story begins, and now you have the mythology of a strange creature.
Dalen: So with you, you know, being from, The Bahamas, what other, like, legends or, you know what I mean? Uh, theories do you guys grow up on out there?
Scott Johnson: Well, we have another legend called the Lusca. And the Lusca was a creature that lives in the blue holes, and if you're swimming in the blue hole, the Lusca would come up and they will pull you down to your death.
It's like the Kraken.
If you ever watch Pirates of the Caribbean, you have like this, this very interesting pre creature that's like, part octopus, part shark part other forms of sea creatures. And they would grab you and they would pull you under.
Dalen: Omg, I just got the chills.
Scott Johnson: Now, in some blue holes when the tide goes high and goes down, when the tide goes low, there is a vortex that can happen.
And that vortex, if you get caught in that vortex, that vortex will pull you down.
Dalen: Yeah, yeah, yeah
Scott Johnson: And so those are things that actually may be tied to the mythology of the Lusca.
Dalen: Hmm.
Marcus: Scott, let me ask you one question. With you, you know, believing in all this other stuff, do you believe in the paranormal like ghosts, because you know, we do like investigations, like we go to haunted spots and see if they are haunted for real or not.
Do you believe in like the paranormal?
Scott Johnson: So absolutely. I am a Judeo-Christian. So naturally the Bible speaks of ghosts, it speaks of evil spirits and stuff like that. So I, I do believe that those things are indeed real.
Marcus: Have you ever had an encounter with a, what y'all call 'em, duppies?
Scott Johnson: I've been hagged before
Marcus: Hagged? You’ve been hagged?
Scott Johnson: That's what we call it in the Bahamas.
Marcus: Word?
Scott Johnson:Yeah, I've been hagged. Yeah, it's that whole thing, what they call, they call sleep paralysis, you know? But yeah, I've been hagged before and it's, it's a, it's a really scary experience. And one time I got hagged to the point where, I could swear, I could have sworn I just heard something come directly to my face. I was just like, breathing hard, like, Uhuh Uhuh,
And I was just like, I couldn't move so naturally, guess what we do? When you're scared and you don't move, you start praying. Right,
Marcus: You started speaking in tongues. Robo-shata-baya!
Scott Johnson: Exactly. So, so that's what it was. And yeah, it disappeared. I was able to move again, but-
Dalen: So that's called being hagged?
Scott Johnson: So that's a, that's a Bahamian term or slash Caribbean term.
We say that we've been hagged if you're sleeping and you develop that sleep paralysis, cause maybe something, spirit is on you trying to prevent you from moving.
Dalen: I like that terminology. Hagged.
Juwan: Do you actually think these paranormal creatures can cross over to like the United States? Like do you think like that oversized owl can find its way to the states?
Scott Johnson: I mean, you guys gotta tell me cause I mean the US also has a lot of interesting myths. Right? I remember y'all, there was a, a thing called Slenderman
Dalen: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Scott Johnson: That was in, that's in the U.S. and I'm sure that the Native Americans also have a variety of different, mythological creatures. I think even with the Seminoles, they have a witch that would turn herself into an owl, something like that.
So there's a whole bunch of stuff in the U.S. you just gotta, you know, just poke around and see It's what, so y'all don't need our tanks cause y'all got y'all tanks.
Juwan: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Right.
Scott Johnson: So-
Marcus: We got our, we got our own problems.
Dalen: Right.
Juwan: So I want to know, does the chickcharney still exist? Like I'm kind of concerned, you know, it may be in The Bahamas, I don't want it to come to the Americas, but I need to know like, is it even still around?
Scott Johnson: So when people ask me this question, I usually say this, Andros is a very, very large island that has not been properly explored. And, who knows what goes bump in the night on those large keys to help make up Andros. So you can't say with a hundred percent certainty on anything. And I'm not gonna say with a hundred percent certainty that they are no longer existing. But historically, there was a large owl that was three feet tall that lived in The Bahamas. And, it had a nice distribution across The Bahamas. And, could that also have played a role in the legend of the chickcharney?
And does it still exist? The jury is still out on that until, until every inch of the Bahamas Archipelago is properly explored, including going out at night. Um, there's always gonna be that possibility that something is hit hiding there. We haven't found it yet, so-
Marcus: Dang. So you're telling me there's owls that are three feet tall?
Dalen: Yeah.
I guess you wanna buy, wanna own one of them too, huh?
Marcus: You darn right. I want to.
Dalen: Add it to your collection
Marcus: If we could get five more episodes. Man. Baby, we are in the money!
Juwan: You putting a down payment?
Marcus: On a chickcharney and a three and a three foot owl. Come on owl! Yaa!
Juwan: I think the chickcharney is the three foot owl.
Marcus: Okay. Yeah. Help me. You right. But I, I want both versions.
Juwan: You want both?
Marcus: I want both versions.
Dalen: Alright, Carol Baskin.
Juwan: Here we go.
Dalen: Well, let me ask you this. My, my, my question for you is, so being a person of science,
Scott Johnson: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: Then having your own personal beliefs.
Scott Johnson: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: And also being a religious man.
Scott Johnson: Mm-hmm.
Dalen: How do all three of those components play together when you come across something paranormal like that? I mean, cause you looking at it through three different lenses when most people may only be looking at it through one. You got science to back it up. You got your religion to back it up and you just have your personal experiences.
Marcus: That's a good question
Scott Johnson: Yeah, that's a fantastic question. All boils down to the individual, and where the individual really leans. I am a scientist. I have done a lot of work across The Bahamas, research and stuff like that, so yeah, but I'm also a Christian and I do believe that there's more to life than test tubes and data sheets.
Juwan: Mmmhmm.
Marcus: Scott man, thank you so very much. This was dope, man.
We truly appreciate your time, man.
Scott Johnson: No problem.
Juwan: Scott, man, before we go, let, let the people know where they can find you, man. What's your social media?
Scott Johnson: All right, so you could find me on Facebook. Umm, Scott Johnson, the Bahamian Naturalist. You could also email me if you want, at scottswildbahamas@gmail.com, cause I have my own little company here, I’m developing called Wild Bahamas, and that helps to educate people about the amazing terrestrial fauna that we have in country.
Marcus: My man. Thank you, Scott.
Scott Johnson: Yep, no problem.
Marcus: Yo, that was a great interview
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Juwan: Yea, we got to hear more Chickcharney info, talked about dinosaurs, the science behind everything, Dalen got philosophical on us, it was a good time.
Marcus: Didn't he? Didn’t he though? Alright guys, now it’s time to play a little game I like to call, Never Have I Ever, but we’re doing it, Caribbean style. All right, you guys ready? I'm going to list some ghastly situations and you are gonna respond guilty or not guilty, and see if the story behind it is true to you or not. Sounds good?
Juwan: Yep.
Dalen: Sounds good to me.
Marcus: All right, here we go. Never have I ever ran from a spider.
I bet you guys ran from like an Anansi Spider before, haven't you?
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Dalen: I wanna be tough and be like, man, I ain't scared no punk ass spider. But do y'all remember that movie, arachnophobia?
Marcus: Oh yeah. With, uh, John Goodman.
Juwan: I remember the movie, but do y'all remember the investigation we had on that plantation and them spiders was like -
Dalen: Bro.
Marcus: And you talking about the Louisiana one or the, yea. Magnolia.
Juwan: Yes, bro
Dalen: I'm gonna tell you why I don't fool with spiders. I ain't fool with spiders since we in college, in our freshman dorm, we had a spider breakout.
A boy in my dorm got bit by one of the spiders. They had to do a skin graft.
Marcus: Dang!
Dalen: They had to take skin off his ass. Mm-hmm. And put it on his arm
Marcus: They took a chunk.
Dalen: They took a chunk outta his ass and put it on his arm.
Juwan: Sounds like a BBL
Dalen: Hey man, he say he got the first BBL
We called that man ass arm for a long time.
Juwan: We, we,
Marcus: I gotta get y'all, I gotta get y'all back on.
Juwan: Oh my bad. My bad,
Marcus: Get back to the game, man.
Juwan: We are guilty. We would probably run from spiders
Marcus: You would run from spiders, Jesus Christ.
Juwan: Sorry.
Dalen: That took a hard left.
Marcus: Why are y'all this way?
Juwan: He said college and we went down a rabbit hole.
Marcus: Shut up. All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Okay. Okay. How about this one? Never have I ever opened a bottle or container that had a spirit caught in it. You know, like the ones in Ghostbusters or before that, Bacoo, an urban legend in Guyana, where there is a little mischievous spirit that lies in a caulked bottle. Like you know, that little, you know, little wine joints, you know what I’m saying?
Dalen: A Hennessy bottle?
Juwan: I never told y'all this. I'm gonna be honest. This is a real vulnerable moment.
Dalen: Okay, let me hear it. I'm ready.
Juwan: Y'all remember when we did that live episode and I opened up that, uh, dybbuk box?
Marcus: Yeah.
Dalen: Yes. I remember us doing that live episode and you opened up something you didn't know what the hell you was doing.
Juwan: I didn't know what I was doing. I was tripping.
Marcus: That was your whole, that was your whole M.O. that, that year open -
Juwan: I really regret that moment.
Dalen: There's people on the internet that open up dybbuk boxes. They order them off of like the dark web, and then they get millions of views, and I feel like since you've already opened up a dybbuk box, you should start a channel where you just order dybbuk boxes off the dark web and just see what you get.
Juwan: Yeah. Like I said before you -
Marcus: You, you gonna.
Juwan: I gave the suggestion.
Marcus: Gonna pimp my man out.
Juwan: I'm not gonna do it.
Marcus: You're hilarious. You guys are hilarious. Would y'all?
Dalen: Alright, listen yall
Marcus: I know. Well, Juwan of course.
Dalen: Already did it.
Marcus: You have already done that.
Dalen: I would do it, bro. I would open it up a dybbuk box, bro. Did you even wear gloves?
Juwan: Yes, I made sure we had, yeah, I think I was the only
Dalen: You wore protection.
Juwan: Absolutely. Ain't want no STDs.
Marcus: Okay. Spiritually transmitted diseases.
Juwan: Yeah. They know what I'm talking about.
Marcus: Alright guys, it’s time for our last one. Never have I ever been hagged, you know, like woken up from a sleep, but not been able to move, you know, like a spirit just sitting on top of you like our boy Scott was talking about.
Dalen: Oh, that happened to me for sure. I've had that happen a couple of times. Man. I remember the first time where I was genuinely terrified. And like the wall that I was sleeping next to was, no, the other side of the wall was my mom's room that she was sleeping in. And I remember just trying to like, move my ankle just to like, try to hit my foot up against the wall to get her attention. And bro, nothing would, like, I couldn't move.
I just remember like after so many seconds, bro, it felt like an eternity. I was just like, Jesus!
Marcus: Bro. Same thing happened to me some years ago. Um, and I'll tell you after, after I hear Juwan. What about you, brother?
Juwan: No, go ahead. Tell your story, big dog.
Marcus: Ok, cool, cool, cool. Hey man, I had in college the same thing.
So like I was laying in the bed and all of a sudden I had this dream like something was floating and it like had a hand and put it over my mouth. And I was like trying to, I woke up and I was trying to move and all of ooh. And I literally was like, the blood of Jesus! Oh my gosh! What happened! Man, I started speaking in tongues man. Man, we had a prayer meeting in my room the next day, cuz you know I was super saved back then.
What about you, Juwan?
Juwan: Uh, yeah, I've definitely had it happen, uh, more than once, and it’s always the same and it's like I always find myself, it feels like, I don't know what this feels like in real life, but it just, I can imagine what being paralyzed from like the neck down would feel like. And like I find myself always trying to force myself to make as much noise as possible, thinking that's just gonna help me get out of it. Yeah. I'll be in the house by myself, but like somebody can hear me.
Dalen: Lemme ask you this, would you be more terrified if you caught the sleep paralysis while laying on your stomach?
Juwan: Yes.
Dalen: Because now you ass in there.
Juwan: Yeah, and I can't feel anything.
Dalen: And you can't move.
Juwan: I can't move or feel anything.
Dalen: That's scary.
Juwan: Yes.
Dalen: That's terrifying. Forget the movie Saw
Marcus: You guys, you guys have ruined this game today and I appreciate it.
And I appreciate it. I appreciate it from the bottom of my heart, guys. Uh, so what you guys think
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Juwan: I told you my thoughts.
Dalen: Yeah, bro, we are guilty as charged.
Marcus: Yeah. That's all you know, Juwan.
Juwan: Thank you for that game, Marcus. I always like a good, never have I ever and Dalen, your answers always-
Marcus: Inappropriate.
Juwan: Never disappoint me.
Marcus: Inappropriate.
Dalen: I try. I try fellas.
Juwan: All right. But look, that's it for the game. But what do we have coming up next, man? Yo, what's up?
Dalen: Up next is this week's listener story. It's creepy, and it comes from Scott in Missouri. Now let's see what Scott's talking about.
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Scott: Hey guys, this is Scott from St. Louis. I had a very strange encounter a couple weeks ago as I heard a car honk honking across the street and I turned on my, uh, ring camera to, to look. Now the, uh, source of the honking was wasn't the big deal. The gentleman that was honking, got out of his car, walked up to the front porch of the house across the street.
Right after he did that, there was a red feather, appeared to come outta nowhere along my porch, and did some interesting turns, and eventually faded to the bottom of the post and disappeared. I immediately went outside. There was no feather. It was a little windy, not enough to make it disappear. I truly believe it was an angel cause I had been thinking about angel angelic thoughts in that recent time and, um, it didn't surprise me at all. Thanks guys.
Dalen: I, I'm just gonna be honest with you babe. It sound like my man was trying to convince himself that he was having angelic thoughts. Like what you was really over there thinking about in Missouri, Scott?
Marcus: Scott, we love you, man
Dalen: Hurt, hurt, harm, danger.
Marcus: Hey man.
Dalen: Chill out Scott.
Marcus: I like, I like though, you know when you do see a nice feather like that randomly
Dalen: On the ring cam.
Marcus: On the ring cam. You gotta know. It's a, it's an angel though, right?
Dalen: Say listen man, I’m just-
Juwan: You got to, I mean or it's an oversized owl. I don't know. Like it's just
Marcus: That's real.
Juwan: But it was red. I wonder what, I wonder what being red has to do with it.
Dalen: You think they got flying cockroaches in Missouri?
Marcus: Ain't no fly -
Juwan: Do cockroaches have feathers?
Marcus: This man was telling you about an angelic situation. And you talking about cockroaches.
Dalen: No, but I'm saying a flying cockroach.
Juwan: My bad. You might have been right. Sorry. Let's talk about that first. There are probably flying cockroaches in Missouri.
Dalen: Yeah. Waterbugs.
Juwan: That has nothing to do with -
Marcus: There’s flying cockroaches everywhere. What you talking about?
Dalen: That has everything to do with it. He looking at it from a ring cam. He's not looking at it with his natural eye.
It could have been anything hence a flying cockroach.
Juwan: He said it was a feather.
Marcus: He said a feather
Dalen: Again, he assumed it was a feather. He went out there, he couldn't see a feather, Juwan. So he don't know if -
Marcus: Why you getting an attitude?
Dalen: Because goddammit, I'm tired of people sending us stories, telling us about stuff.
No, I'm just playing. Scott. Hey man. Your angelic story was beautiful, Scott.
Marcus: I think it was an angel. I think he was touched by an angel. I think that -
Dalen: You mean touched by a feather?
Marcus: I think there was a feather out there. Man. Scott, listen. Keep submitting.
Dalen: Scott, work on your damn story Scott.
Marcus: Well, thank you for letting us get all the way to this part of the conversation, Scott. Your angelic flower and, and feather has allowed us.
Dalen: Flying Cockroach?
Marcus: Oh my gosh. Pray for y'alls boy, Scott. Pray for Scott. Pray for Dalen while you’re out there giving angelic thoughts.
Dalen: Why you having angelic thoughts out there, Scott?
Juwan: And send us the video, Scott like, yeah, we gotta see what a flying cockroach looks like.
Dalen: They called water bugs.
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Marcus: This is all we have for you listeners, so we'll see you next week. Remember, if you want to hear your creepy stories on this podcast, please record your dope voice story and send it to GhostBrothersPodcast.com. That's GhostBrothersPodcast.com
Juwan: That's it for Urban Legends with the Ghost Brothers this week
Marcus: Scare ya later!
Dalen: Peace out and don't let the door hit you where the Ghost Brothers kissed you!
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Music by Asha Iwanowicz.
Concept by Odelia Rubin and Shara Morris.
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